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piratejenny@verizon.net said:
> Then I'm probably misremembering.

Wikipedia indicates (and therefore it must be true) that you're
misremembering.

However... Just 'cause he died doesn't mean he's not coming back.

> You could always friend Stephen Amell on facebook

We've been pals for months now.

> and ask him. :-)

Yeaaaaahhhh..... I'm sure that's exactly what he wants, some weinerhead
fanboy coming along and asking detailed questions about the show.

Wayne

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On 10/27/2013 9:11 AM, Wayne Morrison wrote:
> piratejenny@verizon.net said:
>>> Season 1 spoiler to follow...
>>>
>>> Yep, there are spoilers ahead...
>>>
>>> Last chance...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We were watching season 2/episode 3 of Arrow tonight. In the "previously on"
>>> bit at the beginning, there's a shot showing Oliver at Tommy Merlyn's grave.
>>> The tombstone says:
>>>
>>> Thomas Merlyn
>>> "beloved son"
>>>
>>> Tommy died at the end of season 1. His mother had passed away years before.
>>> His father had died very shortly before Tommy did.
>>>
>>> So, who was looking at Tommy as being their beloved son such that they'd use
>>> that epithet?
>>
>>
>> I thought his father didn't really die. Or am I misremembering that?
>
> Maybe he can never die, no matter how grievous his wounds. Or perhaps I'm
> thinking of another dashing, rogueish, ne'er-do-well.
>
>
> I thought his father died on a rooftop. Maybe he was left for dead, thus
> allowing him to return to cause trouble at a later date. I don't think
> he's been mentioned in season 2, except as the person responsible for The
> Undertaking. If he was still alive, I'd think he'd be mentioned some.
>

Then I'm probably misremembering. You could always friend Stephen Amell
on facebook and ask him. :-)


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piratejenny@verizon.net said:
>> Season 1 spoiler to follow...
>>
>> Yep, there are spoilers ahead...
>>
>> Last chance...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We were watching season 2/episode 3 of Arrow tonight. In the "previously on"
>> bit at the beginning, there's a shot showing Oliver at Tommy Merlyn's grave.
>> The tombstone says:
>>
>> Thomas Merlyn
>> "beloved son"
>>
>> Tommy died at the end of season 1. His mother had passed away years before.
>> His father had died very shortly before Tommy did.
>>
>> So, who was looking at Tommy as being their beloved son such that they'd use
>> that epithet?
>
>
> I thought his father didn't really die. Or am I misremembering that?

Maybe he can never die, no matter how grievous his wounds. Or perhaps I'm
thinking of another dashing, rogueish, ne'er-do-well.


I thought his father died on a rooftop. Maybe he was left for dead, thus
allowing him to return to cause trouble at a later date. I don't think
he's been mentioned in season 2, except as the person responsible for The
Undertaking. If he was still alive, I'd think he'd be mentioned some.

Wayne

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On 10/25/2013 1:58 AM, Wayne Morrison wrote:
> Season 1 spoiler to follow...
>
> Yep, there are spoilers ahead...
>
> Last chance...
>
>
>
>
>
> We were watching season 2/episode 3 of Arrow tonight. In the "previously on"
> bit at the beginning, there's a shot showing Oliver at Tommy Merlyn's grave.
> The tombstone says:
>
> Thomas Merlyn
> "beloved son"
>
> Tommy died at the end of season 1. His mother had passed away years before.
> His father had died very shortly before Tommy did.
>
> So, who was looking at Tommy as being their beloved son such that they'd use
> that epithet?
>
>
I thought his father didn't really die. Or am I misremembering that?


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aneerieangle@gmail.com said:
> I love Tuf Voyaging. My description of the book is: Be careful what you
> wish for. You just might get it!

That's a pretty good description. Also: Don't trust people who aren't your
friends; maybe not your friends either.


> Commented to a young man (15 or so) at Olive Garden tonight that he was
> reading a great book - Ender's Game. His immediate response was 'There's
> going to be a movie of it!' Sigh.

At least it got him reading.

Wayne

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Season 1 spoiler to follow...

Yep, there are spoilers ahead...

Last chance...





We were watching season 2/episode 3 of Arrow tonight. In the "previously on"
bit at the beginning, there's a shot showing Oliver at Tommy Merlyn's grave.
The tombstone says:

Thomas Merlyn
"beloved son"

Tommy died at the end of season 1. His mother had passed away years before.
His father had died very shortly before Tommy did.

So, who was looking at Tommy as being their beloved son such that they'd use
that epithet?

Wayne

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dragonmom7@onebox.com said:
> Life is too short of bad, boring, dull, or books that make you wish you
> could get that time back for something useful like sleeping.

Yup, I agree. However, I'd want to hear about it if someone knows that at
32% into the book it turns from dreary into fantastic. Looks like it's time
to drop this book and start in on "Old Man and the Sea" or "Moby Dick".

Wayne

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My opinion is if you don't like it, pick a different book; you can set it aside to see if you want to restart it later
(or sleep is being elusive)
Life is too short of bad, boring, dull, or books that make you wish you could get that time back for something useful like sleeping.
Susan Allen
Kill them with kindness. Unless you have a gun."


----Original Message----
From: "Wayne Morrison" <tewok@storm-monkeys.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:03 PM
To: tamson-house@googlegroups.com
Subject: two book recommendatiosn and a question


The question is about Matthew Mather's "CyberStorm". If anyone has read it,
can you tell me if it's worth finishing? I'm 30% in and it's pretty dull,
uncompelling, and I don't really care at all about any of the characters.
The one thing that makes me think about continuing is that an Amazon review
mentioned that some vegetarians turned into *redacted*.

But life's too short to finish sucky books.

Wayne

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I've read two really good books recently. The first is GRRMartin's "Tuf
Voyaging". I first read this 25 years ago and it was my first introduction
to Martin's writing. It's about a guy who stumbles on a 30KM-long derelict
ship filled with cloning facilities and millions of plant and animal cell
samples. I don't know if it's as vicious as I've heard his "Game of Thrones"
is reputed to be, but there are certainly some, um, less than stellar examples
of humanity.

The second is Tidbeck's "Jagannath". This is a short collection of short
stories. They're fantasy-in-the-modern-world fantasy, though I wouldn't tack
the "urban" label on them. Elizabeth Hand wrote an introduction and said the
stories were strange. I don't know why she called them strange, they seem
like high-quality fantasy to me.

The question is about Matthew Mather's "CyberStorm". If anyone has read it,
can you tell me if it's worth finishing? I'm 30% in and it's pretty dull,
uncompelling, and I don't really care at all about any of the characters.
The one thing that makes me think about continuing is that an Amazon review
mentioned that some vegetarians turned into *redacted*.

But life's too short to finish sucky books.

Wayne

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> In that case, I should warn you that this book does indeed appear to be
> the first book of a series.

Thanks for the warning. It sounds like a pretty good book, so I'll
risk it.

> I should also warn everyone that there is
> quite a lot of fecal matter and urine in the book, and rather a lot of
> it is being eaten or worn rather than being properly disposed of. But I
> did genuinely enjoy the book despite that.

Doesn't the "properly disposed of" depend on cultural and social norms?
Since these are orcs, maybe they are disposing of it properly.

Wayne

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On 10/17/2013 10:14 AM, Wayne Morrison wrote:
> munizao@xprt.net said:
>> I'm currently in the middle of _The Orc of Many Questions_, by Shane
>> Micheal Murray, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's about an
>> atypical adolescent orc who gets ito trouble because he's too bright and
>> too curious.
> Thanks for the recommendation. I've looked at some additional info about
> it and I've added it to my to-read list. I expect to read it it the next
> month or so.
>
>
> I was initially put off by it since it's described as "The Orc of Many
> Questions (The Book of Many Orcs)". I immediately translated the
> parenthetical description to (Book 1 of the Books of Many Orcs).
>
> I thought, "Oh no, not *another* series." It seems like every book these
> days is part of a series. Not an I-need-four-books-to-tell-this-story series,
> but an I'll-keep-writing-them-until-I-can't-sell-them-anymore series.
>
> I'm really tired of the neverending series. Sure, I'm reading some and
> will keep reading them, I expect I'll even start some new serieses. But
> enough already. Write a book that starts and stops. *Maybe* write a second,
> or even third, but don't start out planning to write the thing forever.
>

In that case, I should warn you that this book does indeed appear to be
the first book of a series. I should also warn everyone that there is
quite a lot of fecal matter and urine in the book, and rather a lot of
it is being eaten or worn rather than being properly disposed of. But I
did genuinely enjoy the book despite that.

Owen

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munizao@xprt.net said:
> I'm currently in the middle of _The Orc of Many Questions_, by Shane
> Micheal Murray, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's about an
> atypical adolescent orc who gets ito trouble because he's too bright and
> too curious.

Thanks for the recommendation. I've looked at some additional info about
it and I've added it to my to-read list. I expect to read it it the next
month or so.


I was initially put off by it since it's described as "The Orc of Many
Questions (The Book of Many Orcs)". I immediately translated the
parenthetical description to (Book 1 of the Books of Many Orcs).

I thought, "Oh no, not *another* series." It seems like every book these
days is part of a series. Not an I-need-four-books-to-tell-this-story series,
but an I'll-keep-writing-them-until-I-can't-sell-them-anymore series.

I'm really tired of the neverending series. Sure, I'm reading some and
will keep reading them, I expect I'll even start some new serieses. But
enough already. Write a book that starts and stops. *Maybe* write a second,
or even third, but don't start out planning to write the thing forever.

Wayne

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gwynhefar@gmail.com said:
> Subtle? I do not think it means what you think it means

A word means exactly what I mean it to mean. Except when I change my mind
and mean it to mean something else.


gwynhefar@gmail.com said:
> Personally my suspension of disbelief was *sorely* tried at the notion that
> the Roanoke colonists spoke Chaucer's English. Um . . . no. Roanoke was
> almost 100 years *after* Shakespeare, they would have spoken Early Modern
> English, not Middle English.

just.deb@gmail.com said:
> My suspension of disbelief stopped back when we hit time travel and bearing=
> witness to the apocalypse

There's yer answer. The Roanoke colonists spoke Chaucer's English because
they were time travellers.

> everything else is just icing.

Mmmm... icing........


> Sent mobile, sorry the top post!

Pete Townshend was decades ahead of his time.

Wayne

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On 10/16/2013 01:51 PM, Wayne Morrison wrote:
> sr.lobo.75@gmail.com said:
>> Rather than jump right into _Dwarves_ ... you should start with Stan
>> Nicholls' _Orcs_ first? ;-)
> Years and years ago, back in the early 80's, I thought it'd be cool to write
> something from the POV of an orc in Moria when The Gang came to town. I
> never got around to it, but years later I read Mary Gentle's "Grunts!" I
> wasn't terribly impressed and decided that maybe an orc-focussed book wasn't
> as good an idea as I thought. Was I wrong?
>

I'm currently in the middle of _The Orc of Many Questions_, by Shane
Micheal Murray, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's about an
atypical adolescent orc who gets ito trouble because he's too bright and
too curious.

Owen

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sr.lobo.75@gmail.com said:
> Rather than jump right into _Dwarves_ ... you should start with Stan
> Nicholls' _Orcs_ first? ;-)

Years and years ago, back in the early 80's, I thought it'd be cool to write
something from the POV of an orc in Moria when The Gang came to town. I
never got around to it, but years later I read Mary Gentle's "Grunts!" I
wasn't terribly impressed and decided that maybe an orc-focussed book wasn't
as good an idea as I thought. Was I wrong?

Wayne

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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Wayne Morrison <tewok@storm-monkeys.com> wrote:

Susan said:
> my suspension of disbelief is being beaten about by the jet-stream....
> but I like it; just as long as I make a conscious effort to forget
> everything I know about American History, my extremely thorough religious
> education and a life long interest in mythology (American and otherwise).

I finally saw the pilot last night.  I agree with you, but was interesting
and I'll keep watching.

I especially liked the subtle way they set themselves up for a seven-season
run and told us the two main people are going to survive the whole time.

Subtle? I do not think it means what you think it means :)  Personally my suspension of disbelief was *sorely* tried at the notion that the Roanoke colonists spoke Chaucer's English.  Um . . . no.  Roanoke was almost 100 years *after* Shakespeare, they would have spoken Early Modern English, not Middle English.  

Gwyn

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Rain and sun shall feed me now,
and roots, and nuts, and wild things,
and rustlings in the midnight wood,
half-mad, like Myrddin, wandering.

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Susan said:
> my suspension of disbelief is being beaten about by the jet-stream....
> but I like it; just as long as I make a conscious effort to forget
> everything I know about American History, my extremely thorough religious
> education and a life long interest in mythology (American and otherwise).

I finally saw the pilot last night. I agree with you, but was interesting
and I'll keep watching.

I especially liked the subtle way they set themselves up for a seven-season
run and told us the two main people are going to survive the whole time.

Wayne

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> Seriously, I really like the characters, and the wit in the writing, but
> I am not convinced that the overall arc is going anywhere good. But if
> only they had cancelled it, we could have imagined that they had
> something brilliant in mind.

I know what you mean. I am now regretting that they made it at all,
since even this much is now fixed. Think how much better it could
have been if they hadn't filmed a single frame!

Wayne

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> Sadly, Orphan Black wasn't canceled, so we'll never know what it might
> have been.
>
> Seriously, I really like the characters, and the wit in the writing, but
> I am not convinced that the overall arc is going anywhere good. But if
> only they had cancelled it, we could have imagined that they had
> something brilliant in mind.

We've only had five episodes of Orphan Black thus far over here; let me finish the series and see what I think. :)  This past week's episode was quite good, and I'm very impressed by Tatiana Maslany.  I also like Jordan Gavaris as Felix.

Regarding Sleepy Hollow, I did watch it last week. It's slick and commercial, filled with lots of TV tropes, and it appears to be a lot of fun. I like the interactions between the two protagonists, but I must say I'm disappointed to lose Clancy Brown so soon.  Historical issues? Well, yeah. My friend was right. An Oxbridge prof wouldn't be going off to fight in colonial wars, but then what I saw Katrina Crane wearing in that first episode exists only in a fantasy historical time period, so I can ignore any historical inaccuracies. I did that with Merlin also because Merlin just was such fun. Atlantis is similar in that manner also. (Btw, we just realised this past weekend that Alexander Siddig, aka Dr. Bashir, is in Atlantis.)

Ellen

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On 10/12/2013 08:32 PM, Wayne Morrison wrote:
> silme13@yahoo.com said:
>
>> I'm rather li=
>> king Orphan Black thus far, though.
> I *loved* Orphan Black. I'm thinking it might be this decade's Firefly.
>
> Wayne
>

Sadly, Orphan Black wasn't canceled, so we'll never know what it might
have been.

Seriously, I really like the characters, and the wit in the writing, but
I am not convinced that the overall arc is going anywhere good. But if
only they had cancelled it, we could have imagined that they had
something brilliant in mind.

Owen

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silme13@yahoo.com said:

> I'm rather li=
> king Orphan Black thus far, though.

I *loved* Orphan Black. I'm thinking it might be this decade's Firefly.

Wayne

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Has anyone read Markus Heitz' "Dwarves"? I've long had an affinity for
dwarves in fantasy fiction so I'm tempted by it. It's a pretty hefty
book though, and I'd rather not start it if it isn't worth the time.

Thanks,
Wayne

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I think that's actually the very bottom of unlikely things on this show. Abbie and Ichabod being bonded Witnesses to stop the Apocalypse is a little higher.

Suspension of disbelief, I has it!

Sent mobile, sorry for the top-posting!

> On Oct 4, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ellen Rawson <silme13@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ________________________________
>> From: Jenny Tait <piratejenny@verizon.net>
>
>>
>> I think the point there is that Crane is not supposed to be your average
>> anything. :-)
>
> Possibly. I've not seen the show yet. We'll see if I'm convinced that an Oxbridge professor from that time period would have jumped at the chance to fight in colonial wars. In reality, it would have been highly unlikely. On the other hand, this is television.
>
>
> Ellen
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> From: Jenny Tait <piratejenny@verizon.net>

>
>I think the point there is that Crane is not supposed to be your average
>anything. :-)

Possibly. I've not seen the show yet. We'll see if I'm convinced that an Oxbridge professor from that time period would have jumped at the chance to fight in colonial wars. In reality, it would have been highly unlikely. On the other hand, this is television.


Ellen

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On 10/4/2013 12:26 PM, Ellen Rawson wrote:
> Okay, so the friend of mine who's an expert in 19th-century literature
> also is an ex-lawyer who wrote her Ph.d dissertation on law in
> 19th-century lit. Note that she loves the show, but she did have a
> couple of comments.
>
> 1) Do the writers know what Admiralty courts are?
> 2) Oxbridge professors did not routinely fight in colonial wars.
>
> She noted that they're playing with lots of tropes, but they seem well
> aware of the fact and are having fun with them.
>
> Now, I've not seen the show yet as we don't get it until next week. I'll
> let you know what I think. I don't know what references were made to
> Admiralty courts, nor do I know about Oxbridge professors fighting in
> colonial wars, but, yeah, whatever that allusion was, I can't see an
> average Oxbridge-type lecturer running off to fight over in the colonies. :)

I think the point there is that Crane is not supposed to be your average
anything. :-)

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> From: Jenny Tait <piratejenny@verizon.net>


>
>Ellen--I'm still wondering about your comment regarding your friend and
>  Sleepy Hollow and why the fact that she's a PhD in Victorian lit is at
>all relevant. The story was published in the early 1800s.

It was published in 1820. I used to teach it in the US. :)


It was relevant for her, let's put it this way. Also, in all of her years of teaching at the university level (in New York City, btw), she's taught literature ranging from 1700 to contemporary times.  Later, when I have more time, I'll summarise her objections.  She's a bit of a 19th century expert full stop, both in American and British literature.


However, as I stated, she liked the show. 

I'm excited that Homeland is starting up again on Sunday night over here. :)  We'll be home from Wales in time to see it. We'll need to remember to record Atlantis, though.


Ellen

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On 10/2/2013 2:50 AM, Matt Bear-Fowler wrote:
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>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Susan <dragonmom7@onebox.com
> <mailto:dragonmom7@onebox.com>> wrote:
>
> there is the very fine scenery
> It must be a the reason
> I wonder how much it resembles small towns in New England (as I
> don't hear a regional accent)
>
>
> New York isn't part of New England. Just for the record. :-)
>

Upstate New York is often considered part of New England though. Though
Sleepy Hollow is not really upstate but part of the Hudson Valley.

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On 10/1/2013 10:17 PM, Susan wrote:
> there is the very fine scenery
> It must be a the reason
> I wonder how much it resembles small towns in New England (as I don't hear a regional accent)


Pretty much actually. I haven't actually been to Sleepy Hollow in about
twenty years, so I can't speak to that particular town, but it does look
quite New Englandy. I'm not at all worried about the historical stuff--I
just look at it as alternate history and I'm fine. Plus how can you not
love the Clancy Brown thing in the premiere? But Clancy Brown as a good
guy still turns my world on its axis.

Ellen--I'm still wondering about your comment regarding your friend and
Sleepy Hollow and why the fact that she's a PhD in Victorian lit is at
all relevant. The story was published in the early 1800s.

Haven't caught this week's yet--it's been a busy week.

Still reeling from Broadchurch's finale.

Also loving Agents of Shield of course.

Cannot wait for this season's American Horror Story. That one is going
to be harder for me to ignore the history in. Cause Salem and all that.
And fairly recently discovered family ties to the trials (albeit by
marriage but still, pretty damn cool to me).

Also looking forward to Wonderland. SAYID! Er, uh, Jafar! Plus Alice and
asylums. Probably more interesting than the original except for the lack
of pirates. (I still have to watch the season premiere of Once also.)

So much TV. I do think, however, I'm going to skip the CW's series about
Mary Queen of Scots.


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On 02/10/2013 21:13, Ellen Rawson wrote:
> ________________________________
>> From: Matt Bear-Fowler<wakingdreaming@gmail.com>
>> I want to like Ironside, but as a person with a physical disability, I'm pretty annoyed that they didn't get an actor with a physical disability to play the title role. We're out there. There are plenty of people who could do it well. I haven't actually sen the show yet, and I do plan to check it out. I'm eager to see how accurately living as a mobility impaired person is portrayed. I'm willing to give them at least a little slack, since I'm kind of pleased to see a mobility impaired character on television at all. But I'm going to be scrutinizing it fairly closely.
> Matt, you might like what New Tricks, a BBC show, did this year.
>
> It's a police show where three older, male, retired detectives were brought back to work cold cases, supervised by a female Detective Superintendent. There have been some changes recently. Two of the original older detectives have left the show, as has the actress playing the Det. Supt. (Hey, the show's been on since 2003.)
>
> Anyway, they've brought in a new female supervisor and two new older cops. One of the new cops has daughter: she's a student, she's brilliant (often helps him with ideas for the investigations) -- and she's in a wheelchair. In real life, the actress, Storme Toolis, truly is in a wheelchair. She has cerebral palsy.http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/new-tricks-storme-toolis-what-2233214
>
> Ellen
>

Anybody remember "Wiseguy"? Under-cover cop show from the late 80s. His
"handler" aka "Lifeguard" is a wheelchair user. Lifeguard was played by
Jim Byrnes and it was a fairly ground-breaking role at the time in
Hollywood North (otherwise known as Vancouver BC *g*) because the
director and producers cast a disabled man to play a disabled man!
(Jim's a double lower limb amputee).



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> From: Matt Bear-Fowler <wakingdreaming@gmail.com>


>I want to like Ironside, but as a person with a physical disability, I'm pretty annoyed that they didn't get an actor with a physical disability to play the title role. We're out there. There are plenty of people who could do it well. I haven't actually sen the show yet, and I do plan to check it out. I'm eager to see how accurately living as a mobility impaired person is portrayed. I'm willing to give them at least a little slack, since I'm kind of pleased to see a mobility impaired character on television at all. But I'm going to be scrutinizing it fairly closely.

Matt, you might like what New Tricks, a BBC show, did this year.

It's a police show where three older, male, retired detectives were brought back to work cold cases, supervised by a female Detective Superintendent. There have been some changes recently. Two of the original older detectives have left the show, as has the actress playing the Det. Supt. (Hey, the show's been on since 2003.)

Anyway, they've brought in a new female supervisor and two new older cops. One of the new cops has  daughter: she's a student, she's brilliant (often helps him with ideas for the investigations) -- and she's in a wheelchair.  In real life, the actress, Storme Toolis, truly is in a wheelchair. She has cerebral palsy.   http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/new-tricks-storme-toolis-what-2233214

Ellen

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On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Gwyn Ryan <gwynhefar@gmail.com> wrote:

I love Sleepy Hollow too, for that exact reason.  Luckily I have a lot of practice in setting aside reality :)  And AoS?  I'm still worried about how a particular plotline is going to go, but otherwise I'm in love with it.  A bunch of my friends have said Skye annoyed them but so far I'm liking her.  And of course Clark Gregg is *awesome*.

Nice to see the list up and active again.  What other things are folks watching?  I saw the pilot of Ironsides and thought it was pretty great.

I want to like Ironside, but as a person with a physical disability, I'm pretty annoyed that they didn't get an actor with a physical disability to play the title role. We're out there. There are plenty of people who could do it well. I haven't actually sen the show yet, and I do plan to check it out. I'm eager to see how accurately living as a mobility impaired person is portrayed. I'm willing to give them at least a little slack, since I'm kind of pleased to see a mobility impaired character on television at all. But I'm going to be scrutinizing it fairly closely.

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